I’m curious what peoples’ thoughts on this are.

Personally, I would say that, as wrong as the mother was, CPS has no right to remove her children based on her beliefs.
If they’re trying to argue that raising your children in an environment where they’re taught hatred is abuse, then they’d better start removing the children of all those fundamentalists now before they’re taught to hate teh gay. Oh noes.

I also like her statement:

A black person has a right to say black power or black pride and yet they’re turning around on us and saying we’re racists and bigots and neo-Nazis because we say white pride. It’s hypocrisy at its finest.

This is all too true. The issue, perhaps, is that white pride is typically associated with violence and hatred towards other ethnic groups… but there is no evidence here of that. They removed her children based purely on the fact that she was proud of her heritage… they didn’t even show that she was teaching them to hate (so even that argument hasn’t been proven to be valid).

So yeah. They haven’t shown abuse or neglect in any way.
I dunno.
I feel like the government is in the wrong in this particular case.

4 thoughts on “Interesting…

  1. I feel like the government is in the wrong on this one.

    However I’d like to point out that there is a tangible difference between the black pride movement and any ideology that includes Nazi symbolism. Black pride and black power are fundamentally a reaction to centuries of slavery and discrimination and the idea that a black person could only approach personhood by emulating whites. The rhetoric is that blacks are just as worthy as whites without sacrificing their identity.

    On the other hand, white power is fundamentally a rhetoric of hate. There is not and never has been a culture of discrimination and de-humanization of whites as a race. And teaching a child that a swastika symbolizes things that she should believe in wholeheartedly is really not indicative of a simple desire to have self-respect and pride in one’s heritage.

  2. I definitely agree- all of this was protected free speech. While having it at a school could be curtailed as disruptive, there is no reason to take the kids away.
    While I believe the speech is hateful, there constitutionally has to be equal protection- I wear a cross on a necklace, and that should be met with the same freedom as a swastika, despite the clear difference in their meaning.
    Law should be blind to meaning, the only reason to interfere should be if the mother was clearly harming her children, or if the speech was infringing upon others’ rights.

  3. Oh, whoops. I just realized this happened in Canada, not the US. With that in mind, it reminds me of several western countries who are starting to adopt disturbing changes to their free speech laws. They’re removing hate speech from protected speech, and doing more to put down expression. France just made it illegal for Muslim girls to wear the hajib (veil) in public schools. While the intentions are good in a lot of this (trying to get rid of hate, etc.) it actually threatens everyone’s rights.

  4. @Zeke: Yeah, Canada’s pretty damn scary on the hate speech thing these days.

    @Csawyer: Black pride rhetoric has, of course, been abused at times in much the same way that that white pride has as you describe it.
    Also, depending on how much credit you want to give the mother, it’s plausible that she’s being more contrary than racist.

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